Responding to Dr. David Gushee’s “Reformation Project” Presentation – Part 1

From Dr Whites Blog page:

I began a multi-part, full response to Dr. David Gushee’s presentation at the Reformation Project conference back in 2014 on today’s 90 minute long program.  Gushee has taken the position of “lead ally” and scholar in support of the “gay Christian” movement, asserting that the church is guilty of hurting her “sexual minorities.”  It is important to understand the arguments Gushee is putting forth, for we will all be hearing them repeated in the months and years to come.  I managed to get 22 minutes into the hour long presentation today, and will continue the response on Thursday’s program.

Link to the page with links to the Audio.

Apologetic Sermon Illustration #27: Transcendental Argument illustrated with Would-be robber breaks leg, calls ambulance with shop’s payphone | The Domain for Truth

Apologetic Sermon Illustration #27: Transcendental Argument illustrated with Would-be robber breaks leg, calls ambulance with shop’s payphone | The Domain for Truth.

Nice illustration over at The Domain for Truth to show the use of Presuppositional Apologetics.

A Historic Debate in the Juma Masjid in Durban, South Africa

Dr James White is keen to get his recent debates in South Africa circulated as widely as possible. If you are a Muslim visiting this page please listen and watch the debate.

James White and Yusuf Ismail debate the Christology of the Gospel of John, and then the Christology of the Qur’an, in an historic debate in the famous Grey Street Mosque in Durban, South Africa, the home mosque of the late Ahmed Deedat.

Crucifixion or Crucifiction? James White and Ayoob Karim Debate Ahmed Deedat’s Famous Presentation

Dr James White is keen to get his recent debates in South Africa circulated as widely as possible. If you are a Muslim visiting this page please listen and watch the debate.

Here’s the debate on Crucifixion or Crucifiction.

Where we are – Implications of The ‘Gay’ marriage debate

If anyone thinks the ‘Gay-Marriage’ debate is ‘merely’ about the sin of homosexuality then they haven’t been thinking. Few issues cross over into so many critical areas for the Christian Church today. Not necessarily in order of importance, but here’s a few to think about:

The Person & Work of Christ
The Authority of The Bible (Scriptures)
The Doctrine of Sin
The Judgement of God
Freedom of Religion
Freedom of Speech
The Doctrine of Marriage
The Creative Order
The Creation / Doctrine of Man
The Creation / Doctrine of Women
The Doctrine of The Trinity
The Doctrine of The Church
The Doctrine of Salvation
Objective Truth claims
Worldview thinking
Preaching the Gospel

James White lays this out with a very sad and depressing yet realistic appraisal of where we are at in The West. Christians need to have their faith firmly rooted and grounded in their Lord and The Scriptures and not in their favourite celebrity Pastor or Author.

View or download Audio of The Dividing Line. Relevant to this subject is in the first 15 minutes or so.

It’s important to keep the ‘protest’ going otherwise one day we’ll wake up and be forced to bow down to the ‘Gay’ ideology. Let’s pray it doesn’t come to that.

Mudeford – Order is everywhere!

Took this photo at Mudeford beach on the South Coast a few days ago. I really like it. Everyone likes it that I’ve shown it to. Why? I think it’s because we are naturally attracted to order. There is order everywhere you look. There is order everywhere because God has made it to be so. This is an example of how presuppositionalists view evidence. Everything points to God!

Mudeford Beech Huts
Mudeford Beach Huts

We have been visiting the Lymington & Milford-on-Sea area for years but for some reason have never been to Mudeford Quay. We have been many times to the beach – a short walk along from the Quay. Just missed it I guess.

 

Looking towards the Key - Beech huts behind me.
Looking towards the Quay – Beach huts behind me.
Lobster pots stacked on the Key.
Lobster pots stacked on the Quay.

Review: Christianity and the Role of Philosophy by K. Scott Oliphint | The Domain for Truth

Review: Christianity and the Role of Philosophy by K. Scott Oliphint | The Domain for Truth.

Another fine review from Jim over at The Domain for Truth.

This looks like a good little introduction to Covenantal Apologetics. (Also known as Van Tillian or Presuppositional Apologetics) We need to get away from elevating worldly philosophy over the Word of God and this book will, I think from the review, help with that task.

It’s available in the UK HERE for £3.97.

Christianity and the Role of Philosophy

The Unger Move of Apologetics? | Watch Your Life and Doctrine Closely…

A very helpful post here from Pastor Unger. Hat Tip to Jim over at Domain for Truth for his post.

The Unger Move of Apologetics? | Watch Your Life and Doctrine Closely….

Dr James White reviews the ‘Unbelievable’ Molinism debate

Yesterday, in his own inimitable way, Dr James White began (not quite heard it all yet) his review of the ‘Unbelievable’ Molinism debate between William Lane Craig & Paul Helm. Dr White, I believe, does the Church a great service through his Dividing Line broadcasts.

As far as the debate is concerned, what did it for me was that the Catholic ‘Counter-Reformation’ was looking for a way to answer Luther & Calvin. They did this through a Jesuit scholar. The Catholic Church would otherwise have had to give up its doctrine, as Dr White’ puts it, of Sola Ecclesia rather than the Biblical doctrine of Sola Scriptura, and the Catholic church was never going to do that! It still holds to that today.

The ‘Dividing Line’ can be downloaded via iTunes or through the Webcast on the Aomin website. His review starts about 30 minutes in but it’s all worth a listen.

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‘Unbelieveable’, Paul Helm, William Lane Craig & Molinism

Just finished listening to yesterdays broadcast of ‘Unbelieveable‘ hosted by Justin Brierly. This latest programme is a debate over Molinism between William Lane Craig (Molinist) and Paul Helm representing Calvinism. The debate as I understand it is an attempt at reconciling The Sovereignty of God and the Responsibility of Man. This is achieved for Craig through what is called ‘Middle Knowledge’. To be honest I don’t think I have fully grasped this concept but some of the things that William Lane Craig said towards the end of the debate convinced me that it is a false view and actually is not necessary.

Craig is a regular guest one way or an other on ‘Unbelieveable’ and I felt was the more media savvy. Not only that, I also sensed an affinity with this view by Justin (though I may be wrong), consequently Craig I thought had the majority of the time (haven’t the wherewithal to go through it with a stopwatch).

After a brief discussion of possible worlds, here’s the direct relevant word for word quote from the broadcast:

Justin: There may not be a world where everyone would choose freely?
Craig: Exactly. So I do say, I do affirm that, and I think you get great theological mileage out of it.
Justin: As far as you’re concerned, God is more concerned with the human freedom than in a world in which everyone is saved. That would be the choice, as it were, God is making.
Craig: Yes. Yes, I suppose that is right. He (God) would not exercise a sort of divine coercion in order to save people. He will respect people’s wills and say “I’m not going to make you go to heaven if you choose to reject me and my grace and my love for you. I will allow you to do so.”
Justin: OK. So, but as far as you are concerned this doesn’t, I mean, I think Paul’s concern is that by there being worlds which are not feasible for God to choose that somehow undermines God’s sovereignty because then it’s suggesting God…
Helm: Well it weakens, it weakens. The emphasis is now not on God’s choosing me because He wanted me to be His child, eternally and unconditionally and by His grace. But He’s chosen a world…

I’ll leave it at that. But the point of concern with this view of Craig’s is about respecting people’s wills. The problem is we have rebellious God-rejecting wills. No matter how many possible worlds there might be sinners will not choose God. By nature we want to be autonomous rulers of our own domain. We have and will reject God and His Kingly rule. We are ‘dead in trespasses and sins’ and without God choosing us we would not choose Him.

Another problem follows on from this. That is, the Apologetic methodology of Craig – despite him saying a lot of good things I might add. The will of man can be turned, coerced or influenced. This is deadly. Our Salvation must rest in God alone and not in the persuasive power of the apologist – whomever they may be. I’m sure people are converted under a Molinist ministry, but this is because God is gracious not because the preacher has amazing powers of persuasion. Molinism, no matter the strong view of Sovereignty held by Craig must wrongly grant too much to the sinner. God is sovereign over our wills – thank God for that wonderful truth!

To be sure, the Apostle Paul ‘knowing the terrors of the Lord persuades men’ but this is not to coerce the will but is the divine manner by which God calls the elect to Himself. There is a difference between respecting people’s wills and respecting people because they are made in the ‘Image of God’.

I’m already a convinced Calvinist and knew nothing of Molinism but from what I’ve heard believe it falls way short of the divine will.

As far as The Sovereignty of God and the Responsibility of man goes: I believe Spurgeon quipped, ‘ you don’t need to reconcile friends’. Molinisn is unnecessary and takes away from the Glory of God

When this passing world is done,
When has sunk yon glaring sun,
When we stand with Christ in glory,
Looking o’er life’s finished story,
Then, Lord, shall I fully know—
Not till then—how much I owe.

When I hear the wicked call,
On the rocks and hills to fall,
When I see them start and shrink
On the fiery deluge brink,
Then, Lord, shall I fully know—
Not till then—how much I owe.

When I stand before the throne,
Dressed in beauty not my own,
When I see Thee as Thou art,
Love Thee with unsinning heart,
Then Lord, shall I fully know—
Not till then—how much I owe.

When the praise of Heav’n I hear,
Loud as thunders to the ear,
Loud as many waters’ noise,
Sweet as harp’s melodious voice,
Then, Lord, shall I fully know—
Not till then—how much I owe.

Chosen not for good in me,
Wakened up from wrath to flee,
Hidden in the Savior’s side,
By the Spirit sanctified,
Teach me, Lord, on earth to show,
By my love, how much I owe.

Robert Murray McCheyne
1813-1843

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